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	<title>Comments on: Site Built Homes in Land Harbor</title>
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	<description>Spanish Cove, our little piece of paradise in Lillian, AL</description>
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		<title>By: Dick Junkins</title>
		<link>http://coveconnections.com/2009/06/11/site-built-homes-in-land-harbor/comment-page-1/#comment-5837</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Junkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rules Committee meeting, scheduled for tomorrow, July 8th, has been canceled, due to scheduling conflicts and emergent priorities for Joan Fletcher, who as you know is now the POASC Board Chairman. She regrets the short-notice cancellation.

Current business for the committee is up-to-date. The second reading of the &quot;Phase 1&quot; Site-Built Homes Proposal for Land Harbor will be conducted at the regularly scheduled July Board of Directors meeting.

New committee business, which will include &quot;Phase 2&quot; of the Site-Built Homes proposal, will continue in August. The meeting date will be confirmed at the Board meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rules Committee meeting, scheduled for tomorrow, July 8th, has been canceled, due to scheduling conflicts and emergent priorities for Joan Fletcher, who as you know is now the POASC Board Chairman. She regrets the short-notice cancellation.</p>
<p>Current business for the committee is up-to-date. The second reading of the &#8220;Phase 1&#8243; Site-Built Homes Proposal for Land Harbor will be conducted at the regularly scheduled July Board of Directors meeting.</p>
<p>New committee business, which will include &#8220;Phase 2&#8243; of the Site-Built Homes proposal, will continue in August. The meeting date will be confirmed at the Board meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Danson</title>
		<link>http://coveconnections.com/2009/06/11/site-built-homes-in-land-harbor/comment-page-1/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Danson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally, I think Snowbird is thinking about a Motorhome or 5th Wheel not a park model.  Patty, I am not at all in agreement with you regarding allowing recreational vehicles to be lived in in the Pines I agree that there are &quot;homes&quot; that are badly in need of appearance improvement in most, if not all of the different Cove Areas.  However allowing RV living in the Pines is not a way to improve appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally, I think Snowbird is thinking about a Motorhome or 5th Wheel not a park model.  Patty, I am not at all in agreement with you regarding allowing recreational vehicles to be lived in in the Pines I agree that there are &#8220;homes&#8221; that are badly in need of appearance improvement in most, if not all of the different Cove Areas.  However allowing RV living in the Pines is not a way to improve appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patty, it would probably be less expensive to put a manufactured home on a lot in The Pines than an RV. &quot;Park Models&quot; are not cheap.
We have lived this way for 35 years in Spanish Cove with separate housing styles in different areas. Except to allow on-site housing in Land Harbor, I don&#039;t think we need to change anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty, it would probably be less expensive to put a manufactured home on a lot in The Pines than an RV. &#8220;Park Models&#8221; are not cheap.<br />
We have lived this way for 35 years in Spanish Cove with separate housing styles in different areas. Except to allow on-site housing in Land Harbor, I don&#8217;t think we need to change anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty Junkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty Junkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;Snowbird&quot;&#039;s thoughts. I do think RV&#039;s should have been allowed in the Pines for those who wanted larger lots. Most RV&#039;s I&#039;ve seen would look better in the Pines that some of the run down mobile homes (not many, but still, they look bad).  There is also a place on Clubhouse drive that looks like it belongs in a low-income housing development.
I personally don&#039;t have a problem with any type of dwelling/home someone chooses to live in as long as they keep it clean and kept up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like &#8220;Snowbird&#8221;&#8216;s thoughts. I do think RV&#8217;s should have been allowed in the Pines for those who wanted larger lots. Most RV&#8217;s I&#8217;ve seen would look better in the Pines that some of the run down mobile homes (not many, but still, they look bad).  There is also a place on Clubhouse drive that looks like it belongs in a low-income housing development.<br />
I personally don&#8217;t have a problem with any type of dwelling/home someone chooses to live in as long as they keep it clean and kept up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Danson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Danson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are interested, I know of 3 lots that are for sale in Land Harbor.  Ine does have a very nice Double Wide &quot;Park Model&quot; on it, hhowever.  It is located on one of the DeFuniac&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are interested, I know of 3 lots that are for sale in Land Harbor.  Ine does have a very nice Double Wide &#8220;Park Model&#8221; on it, hhowever.  It is located on one of the DeFuniac&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: W Hodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>W Hodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snowbird&#039;s premise, equal treatment of lots in Land Harbor and elsewhere in Spanish Cove, is understandable but doesn&#039;t fit the situation.  The notion of “equalness” is revered in the United States but sadly is mostly a happy fiction except in mathematics.

Consider that two individuals might own adjacent lots of precisely the same size.  Government might  deny the right to erect a building exactly like that on the other.  Why?  One lot might have a large portion subject to wet-lands restrictions.  Or, one lot might be located in an area designated for residential construction and the other commercial and the intended structure is a bakery.  Likewise, two lots of the same size and physical characteristics might be located in different sections of the same community and one in the approach path of the local airport. That one might be denied the right to erect an amateur  radio tower.  Differential treatments of apparently identical entities is quite common and reasonable.  

It is good to remember that land like time is an analog. Mankind inevitably imposes ownership on land and that ultimately involves some sort of parsing.  The only way to do that is to impose some arbitrary boundaries.  “Arbitrary” is the key notion.  No one arbitrary method is inherently better than another but once we embrace the idea of ownership, it is necessary.  Lands arbitrarily divided for our convenience of use can then be subject to rules and the rules have not much to do with the land but rather our insistence on the process of compartmentalization.  Thus we can extend the parsing to impose different rules to seemingly identical portions of land.  That&#039;s what government has done and that&#039;s what we have done in Spanish Cove.  

Finally, let me comment on the proclamation of equalness.  There is a document that says that, “All men are created equal.”  If one has ever known a handicapped person one knows the proclamation isn&#039;t true.  Those who champion physical attainments knows that we can&#039;t all run 4 minute miles.  Teachers regularly claim that every child is different (but I think that unlikely.)  And we all insist that our physicians administer differentiated treatments depending on severity of a specific illness.  Perhaps that document should have said, “In the eyes of God all men are, at their creation, of equal value.”  And perhaps we all should be more circumspect in our use of “equal.”

W Hodge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snowbird&#8217;s premise, equal treatment of lots in Land Harbor and elsewhere in Spanish Cove, is understandable but doesn&#8217;t fit the situation.  The notion of “equalness” is revered in the United States but sadly is mostly a happy fiction except in mathematics.</p>
<p>Consider that two individuals might own adjacent lots of precisely the same size.  Government might  deny the right to erect a building exactly like that on the other.  Why?  One lot might have a large portion subject to wet-lands restrictions.  Or, one lot might be located in an area designated for residential construction and the other commercial and the intended structure is a bakery.  Likewise, two lots of the same size and physical characteristics might be located in different sections of the same community and one in the approach path of the local airport. That one might be denied the right to erect an amateur  radio tower.  Differential treatments of apparently identical entities is quite common and reasonable.  </p>
<p>It is good to remember that land like time is an analog. Mankind inevitably imposes ownership on land and that ultimately involves some sort of parsing.  The only way to do that is to impose some arbitrary boundaries.  “Arbitrary” is the key notion.  No one arbitrary method is inherently better than another but once we embrace the idea of ownership, it is necessary.  Lands arbitrarily divided for our convenience of use can then be subject to rules and the rules have not much to do with the land but rather our insistence on the process of compartmentalization.  Thus we can extend the parsing to impose different rules to seemingly identical portions of land.  That&#8217;s what government has done and that&#8217;s what we have done in Spanish Cove.  </p>
<p>Finally, let me comment on the proclamation of equalness.  There is a document that says that, “All men are created equal.”  If one has ever known a handicapped person one knows the proclamation isn&#8217;t true.  Those who champion physical attainments knows that we can&#8217;t all run 4 minute miles.  Teachers regularly claim that every child is different (but I think that unlikely.)  And we all insist that our physicians administer differentiated treatments depending on severity of a specific illness.  Perhaps that document should have said, “In the eyes of God all men are, at their creation, of equal value.”  And perhaps we all should be more circumspect in our use of “equal.”</p>
<p>W Hodge</p>
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		<title>By: Snowbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all for your responses. You see, I love the RV life style and the freedom it brings. Going back to sticks and bricks is no longer in my thoughts. However, it would be nice to have a home base in the Cove that would provide my wife and I a covered RV port and a utility building that was large enough for a washer/dryer and full bath and maybe a small garden. To do that would require probably 3 lots which are hard to come by in the LH area. That’s why my thoughts went towards the Pines.

For those who may want to check out my thoughts, take a look at www.tgoresort.com  under ports/resale. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for your responses. You see, I love the RV life style and the freedom it brings. Going back to sticks and bricks is no longer in my thoughts. However, it would be nice to have a home base in the Cove that would provide my wife and I a covered RV port and a utility building that was large enough for a washer/dryer and full bath and maybe a small garden. To do that would require probably 3 lots which are hard to come by in the LH area. That’s why my thoughts went towards the Pines.</p>
<p>For those who may want to check out my thoughts, take a look at <a href="http://www.tgoresort.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tgoresort.com</a>  under ports/resale. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally McKinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Land Harbor is zoned R6, six units to the acre. Our Covenants designate it as a &quot;campground&quot;. No other area has that designation. All other areas are either R2B or R3. Bayside and Spanish Oaks is R2B, is moderate density with two units per acre. It could have manufactured or mobile homes, but our Covenants do not allow it except at the northwest area that is actually designated as Perdido Pines according to Spanish Cove maps. Perdido Pines is R3, moderate density, three units per acre and allows site built homes or manufactured or mobile homes. The zoning ordinances and maps are on line at www.co.baldwin.al.us. In all cases our Covenants trump any zoning rules. Any change to the covenants regarding the types of dwellings, i.e. recreational vehicles would have to be approved by a vote of the property owners. I can&#039;t see that happening. RVs may be stored on a lot in the Pines, Oaks and Bayside, but only behind the 30-foot setback as stated in the Covenants. You may check all this information in the Covenants by clicking on &quot;Documents&quot; at the top of the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Land Harbor is zoned R6, six units to the acre. Our Covenants designate it as a &#8220;campground&#8221;. No other area has that designation. All other areas are either R2B or R3. Bayside and Spanish Oaks is R2B, is moderate density with two units per acre. It could have manufactured or mobile homes, but our Covenants do not allow it except at the northwest area that is actually designated as Perdido Pines according to Spanish Cove maps. Perdido Pines is R3, moderate density, three units per acre and allows site built homes or manufactured or mobile homes. The zoning ordinances and maps are on line at <a href="http://www.co.baldwin.al.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.co.baldwin.al.us</a>. In all cases our Covenants trump any zoning rules. Any change to the covenants regarding the types of dwellings, i.e. recreational vehicles would have to be approved by a vote of the property owners. I can&#8217;t see that happening. RVs may be stored on a lot in the Pines, Oaks and Bayside, but only behind the 30-foot setback as stated in the Covenants. You may check all this information in the Covenants by clicking on &#8220;Documents&#8221; at the top of the page.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember there are zoning regulations in place. LH is &quot;zoned&quot;(maybe deeded?) as a campground. I don&#039;t believe any of the other sections of SC are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember there are zoning regulations in place. LH is &#8220;zoned&#8221;(maybe deeded?) as a campground. I don&#8217;t believe any of the other sections of SC are?</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Junkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Junkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allowing RVs as dwellings in areas other than Land Harbor is not under consideration as part of the Site-Built Homes proposal, and although it could happen, I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s likely. 

Site-built homes in Land Harbor are a natural extension and progression of changes that have been proposed and approved over the years (Park Model &quot;RVs&quot; and now Manufactured Homes). The proposed change also enhances the property owners&#039; ability to obtain mortgages and insurance; and allows them to have a more storm-resistant home.

To the best of my knowledge, RVs have never been permitted as residences outside of Land Harbor. Proposing that today, when everyone in those areas bought and built with the understanding that RVs could not be used as dwellings, would likely cause quite a stir and would be doomed to failure, in my opinion. That&#039;s not to say it could never happen, just that I would be quite surprised if it did.

I live in Land Harbor, and I&#039;m very pleased that the LH site-built home proposal is moving forward and will likely be presented to the Membership for approval. I think that RVs, Manufactured Homes, Modular Homes and Conventional Homes will coexist very nicely in Land Harbor. I just don&#039;t see that same concept as extendable to other areas in the Cove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allowing RVs as dwellings in areas other than Land Harbor is not under consideration as part of the Site-Built Homes proposal, and although it could happen, I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s likely. </p>
<p>Site-built homes in Land Harbor are a natural extension and progression of changes that have been proposed and approved over the years (Park Model &#8220;RVs&#8221; and now Manufactured Homes). The proposed change also enhances the property owners&#8217; ability to obtain mortgages and insurance; and allows them to have a more storm-resistant home.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, RVs have never been permitted as residences outside of Land Harbor. Proposing that today, when everyone in those areas bought and built with the understanding that RVs could not be used as dwellings, would likely cause quite a stir and would be doomed to failure, in my opinion. That&#8217;s not to say it could never happen, just that I would be quite surprised if it did.</p>
<p>I live in Land Harbor, and I&#8217;m very pleased that the LH site-built home proposal is moving forward and will likely be presented to the Membership for approval. I think that RVs, Manufactured Homes, Modular Homes and Conventional Homes will coexist very nicely in Land Harbor. I just don&#8217;t see that same concept as extendable to other areas in the Cove.</p>
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